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This is a rush transcript from "The Ingraham Angle," May 21, 2021. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated. INGRAHAM: All right, thank you. I'm Laura Ingraham. This is The IngrahamAngle from Washington tonight. Could the pressure campaign to vaccinate theentire American populace be putting those already infected at risk? Twodoctors from our medicine cabinet say, yes. And they're here to reveal theevidence. But first, the racism Gold Rush. That's the focus of tonight'sangle.Because public schools have become cesspools of far-left political thought,many parents whose views don't align and who can't afford private orparochial schools, rightly feel that their children are trapped. Plus, manyof those private schools are just as bad anyway, if not worse. Now, I can'ttell you how many parents I run into complain about this dynamic. Well,today former Attorney General Bill Barr delivered one of the most importantspeeches in recent memory on the dire state of public education in America.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)BILL BARR, FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL: The state of our public schools isbecoming an absurdity that is scarcely to be believed. Well, an astonishingnumber of public schools fail to produce students proficient in basicreading and math. They spare no effort or expense to draw in their drive toinstill a radical secular belief system that would only - that would havebeen unimaginable just a few years ago.(END VIDEO CLIP)INGRAHAM: Thus, the obvious question. Why should we send our tax dollars toschools that end up teaching our kids to hate the country? So, by choosingan aggressive secular humanist focus, which is now laced with critical racetheory, teachers and administrators have created their own taxpayer fundedfiefdoms radicalism. They think they shouldn't answer to anyone outsidetheir own sphere on issues like curriculum, on sports on anything relatedto life at school.They want complete and total control, no questions asked. Well, parents,forget it, be damned. We saw this during COVID, where teachers summarilydismiss parents' concerns about remote learning.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If you're going to call me out, I'm going to f you up.Already, that's just me.UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They want to pick on us because they want theirbabysitter's back.(END VIDEO CLIP)INGRAHAM: Babysitters. And now with the backdrop of COVID and the death ofGeorge Floyd, these school dictators feel like they got the wind at theirbacks. Many are eager to embrace critical race theory throughout theircurricula across every subject and every aspect of schooling. And all thiswokeness cost big bucks and variably funneled to anti-American racehucksters.Courtesy of Judicial Watch, we learn that schools in Montgomery County,Maryland, paid nearly $0.5 million on something called an anti-racismaudit. And they gave it to a group called the Mid Atlantic EquityConsortium, which now get this is funded by your tax dollars via theDepartment of Education. Of the $19 million, the group has raised since2001, $17 million is from taxpayer backed cash, what a scam.In the past four years, these race hustlers haven't received a singleprivate donation. So, in Montgomery County, Dr. Monifa B. McKnight, andshe's now the acting superintendent claimed the anti-racist audit wouldexamine the district's systems, practices and policies that do not createaccess opportunities and equitable outcomes for every student's academicand social emotional well-being and what analyze policies and practicesthat impact staff.Now let me translate this for you. They're preparing as are many schoolsacross America to bring racial propaganda into school subjects, everysyllabus and every academic award given out. They're going to higher scoresof rabid anti-American ideologues, destroying what is left at this point ofobjective merit for students and faculty alike. So, if you're white, you'rede facto guilty.Now, if you're not white, you're given special status and consideration.Now, they call this diversity, equity and inclusion, DEI, but it's reallyjust plain old racism. Now, here are the types of DEI consultants andlectures hired for the reprograming.Meet Loyola Marymount, University Psychologist, Sheri Atwater recentlyhired by the Hermosa Beach City School District in California to lecturefaculty on anti-racism.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)SHERI ATWATER, LOYOLA MARYMOUNT UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR: One of the favoritethings I like to do in my multicultural accounting class. First questionwhen I walk up there is, raise your hand if you're racist, right. Onesraised their hand that they're racist, and they're all telling the truth,but also by the end of this, lecture and discussion and you'll understandthat you're telling the truth, and you're also lying at the same time. Andthat's because we have implicit biases, so you can't tell me that you'renot racist.(END VIDEO CLIP)INGRAHAM: I like her two fingers up. Now, of course, Ms. Atwater's clichewritten idiocy is the product of decades of educational decay. She's justrepeating what she heard and some other tedious seminar, very deepthinking, Well, not quite, but it is dangerous. And things are just astoxic in our state universities, again funded by the taxpayers.Last month, the Pennsylvania State System of Higher Education, the Board ofGovernors meeting, showcased a pathetic array of race groveling buffoons.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When we teach philosophy, we teach the old dead whitephilosophers. And yet there's a lot of people who wrote philosophy besidesas individuals.UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I want to stress. I've spoken to students about this,and the absence of a diverse curriculum is the absence of affirming theirhumanity for our campuses are well underway with implementing the DEItraining module for students and many of our campuses, they are includingit as part of their freshman orientation. So, there it would be required.(END VIDEO CLIP)INGRAHAM: Yes, freshman orientation, you got to get those kids early fromthe moment they step foot on campus just in case, their high school wasn'twoken up to set them straight about how racist America really is.The Republican majority in the Pennsylvania legislature should shut thisdown. Not a single taxpayer dollar, state or federal should go toward thepromotion of what is a corrosive, and racist philosophy, not in K through12 and not in higher education.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)BARR: Confronting this issue, I think, is the most urgent task for peoplewho are concerned about religious liberty. Religious liberty is not safe inthe United States, as long as we have the kind of public school system. Wehave the forced monopoly and the indoctrination of children into theseradical secular progressive orthodoxies.Now bar has it right. And he went on to say that the solution here is togive parents universal school choice, where their tax dollars travel withthem, and they get to choose where to send their kids to school. And whilethings are dire on college campuses, there are rays of hope.The Board of Trustees at UNC Chapel Hill struck a note for common senseyesterday by revoking a tenure offer to Hannah Nikole Jones, that creatorof the widely discredited 619 projects. Of course, in response to that therace mongers claim that the college boards of trustees are themselvesracist. Well, look, it's all they have.Naturally, the Biden Administration is full steam ahead with critical racetheory in the schools. The U.S. Department of Education issued two proposedpriorities last month that would direct federal grant money to projectsthat incorporate racially, ethnically, culturally and linguisticallydiverse perspectives into teaching and learning and projects that promoteinformation literacy skills.Come on, screams boondoggle. But they've poked the bear 20. State attorneysgeneral are fighting against these plans that oppose any government fundsgoing to any projects that characterize the United States as irredeemablyracist or founded on principles of racism, or that assign fault blame orbias to a particular race or to an individual because of his or her race.Folks, it's my firm belief that Democrats will rue the day that they linkedarms with the Marxists on this issue. I think most suburban women who votedfor the decent Old Joe Biden, they didn't think this was part of thebargain. And the next time they walk into the voting booth, they're goingto have a chance to strike a blow against the racial industrial complexthat wants to wreck America, as it robs us blind. And that's the angle.Joining me now is Glenn Loury, Professor of Economics at Brown University.Professor, it's good to see you tonight. Now, this Hannah-Jones disputeleads to a larger question. Why was a woman who distorts history, even upfor a tenured position at any university in the first place?GLENN LOURY, BROWN UNIVERSITY ECONOMICS PROFESSOR: Well, I assume that herprofessional distinction, Pulitzer Prize, the MacArthur, and her initiativeat the Time magazine makes her an appropriate candidate for a lectureshipof some kind in a professional school of journalism, channeling youngjournalist and so forth and so on.But 10 year, 10 years right at the heart of the University, where is thebig book, where's the sustained body of work, where's the Ph.D., she's gota Master's degree, God loves her. There's nothing wrong with not having aPh.D., but you think making someone a permanent member of the faculty of aserious university, you might want to see a little bit more depth. So, I'mnot at all surprised the trustees might have been putting the politicalissues to the side at having that be a 10-year appointment from the start.My understanding is, their position is, let's see, five years, it's arenewable appointment, let's see how you do it and what you produce. Andwe'll see that strikes me as a quite liberal way of handling it.INGRAHAM: Professor, the other thing that's - I think, just driving peoplebonkers about this critical race theory is ultimately what it intends to dois to equalize outcomes, across the board. Now explain what that ultimatelydoes to the pursuit of excellence in education.LOURY: So, the issue is the distinction between equality of opportunity,and what's been called equity. Of the equity position is that as you say,we want to see disparities between the groups go away, we want to see thesame number of black and Latino, white and Asian doing this or doing that,whether it's the School of Engineering, the medical school, the calculusdepartment, whatever it is.Now, the groups are not performing to the same extent. If you insist uponequal outcomes, but you don't have equal performance, the only way you getit is by lowering standards. So, from my perspective, the insistence uponequity, to the - over and against equality of opportunity is a concession.It's a concession that we're going to not look at performance too closely,if doing so would prevent us from getting our numbers, right. And that's abad thing.INGRAHAM: Also, this idea that everyone has his or her truth, they usuallylike pound their chest, when they say that this is my truth. They alwayssay that. But there is also objective truth. And yet that seems to go justcompletely out the window. Even in sciences today, it goes out the window,but it's always, this is my truth. This is my understanding. And you haveto validate it, even if you don't agree with it, you have to validate it.LOURY: Yes, this subjectivity thing is a real problem. I call it identity,epistemology. So, identity politics is one thing, you know, I'm a group,I'm in this group, I have this identity, therefore, I got a voice, my voicemust be heard. But identity epistemology is another thing altogether. I am,therefore I know that you can't know it. If you're not me. I have in virtueof my identity, a special insight into knowledge that's not communicablebetween groups. This is very anti-intellectual.INGRAHAM: Glenn, there aren't many conservatives on college campuses, infaculties across the country, I think Harvard, out of $200,000 in donationsto presidential race, I think, 2000 went to Republicans in 2020 orsomething like that. What do you say to conservatives who might want to gointo academia today? What should they do? Where should they go? If they'rebeing blocked?LOURY: Well, it's a tough call. And it's not just conservatives. I was justspeaking today with a young scholar who is - I wouldn't say that person isa conservative at all, they're centrist. But they despair - the guy hasdeciding whether he wants to go and get a Ph.D. in economics. He's verysmart. He should get a Ph.D. in economics. He's passionate, he'sknowledgeable. But he's saying I can't bear the idea that I would have today in and day out deal with this implacable one dimensional unanimity ofopinion about stuff that's hard for which it's not clear what the rightanswers are.And I told him, you should go ahead and get the Ph.D. there is more to lifethan being in the university. there plenty of good jobs for economistsoutside of the university. I'd hate to see him cut his intellectualdevelopment short because he can't build a thought of being out of facultysomewhere.INGRAHAM: A lot of fat endowment insulate a lot of these universities fromany scrutiny or having to change their ways. Glenn, great to see youtonight. Thank you so much.And UNC's denial of tenure to that 1619 project mastermind has set off theracial radicals in the media. MSNBC's Joy Reid tweeting university shouldnot be denying tenure, based on Right-wing sensitivities to theuncomfortable truths of history. Daily Beast Columnists Wajahat Ali, cancelculture to appease white rage and white anxiety.Joining me now is Mark Meadows, former North Carolina Congressman, TrumpWhite House Chief of Staff. Mark, why would a school such as UNC have everentertained the idea of bringing Hannah Nikole Jones into the universitysystem, given the fact that even liberal scholars have panned her work asflawed throughout?MARK MEADOWS, FORMER TRUMP WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF: Well, what we seehere is not just bringing her in, but the recommendation originally was togive her a permanent position and so when you look at 1619, really the dateyou should be looking at is 1620. Because what we know from our history isthat actually a group of pilgrims came over here for religious liberty in1620.And we somehow are trying to redefine it. And so, we've got someone beingoffered a job at UNC Chapel Hill, that quite frankly, the very work thatindividual did, would not pass muster in most history classes. And yet it'sbeing applauded by the Left of progressives across the country. It's just -it's redefining history in a way that is not consistent with the facts.INGRAHAM: Joe Biden today continued if he even understood what he wassaying to demean the country, he actually leads. Watch.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)JOE BIDEN (D), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Every time we lead, hey,flourish, you make a lot of who we are, as a nation, we cannot let the veryfoundation of this country continue to be eaten away, like it has been atother moments in our history and happening again.(END VIDEO CLIP)INGRAHAM: Mark, I thought he takes the presidency, he was going to calm thewaters and everything is going to be healing and unity. And now, it's justlike a horrible, awful, rotten racist place that he's president of?MEADOWS: Well, listen, we continue to see that the racial divide, that'sracism narrative, from the Democrat Left is all that they have to offer.They are looking to divide. I believe it was Martin Luther King said, whenhe was talking about his children, that he was hopeful that they wouldn'tbe judged on the color of their skin, but their content of their character.And yet this critical race theory throws that upside down and says the onlything that you should be focused on is the color of skin.It's not who we are, it's truly trying to remake the civil rights movementinto something that it was never intended to be. And quite frankly, it'sdividing us, not bringing us together.INGRAHAM: When you look at what's happened at our border, and now over ahalf a million people have been apprehended at the border, and Lord knowshow many just were not detected and just made it across the border. We findout today that apparently, they're keeping in place Trump's order whilebroadening it enough to please Left-wing activists, senior Customs andBorder Protection official told the Free Beacon today, if they rescindTitle 42, they can't deport single men. Mark, what about this?MEADOWS: Well, they've gone from just an inept policy on the border to onethat is so convoluted that it essentially provides no border at all. Partof that is when they say that, again, if you try to address that they saythat you're racist in trying to address a secure southern border.But when we look at the policies that the Biden Administration are puttingforth, it's really a policy of no decisions. Really, they're looking at notmaking decision. They're not making decision of Middle East, not makingdecision on jobs. And it's more inaction than it is action.INGRAHAM: Mark, great to see you. Thank you. And police departments fromcoast-to-coast are being gutted by selfish politicians and the results havebeen devastating for communities. In moments, we talked to two businessowners in the middle of the storm with a powerful message.(COMMERCIAL BREAK)INGRAHAM: Since last summer, BLM supporters have claimed that defunding thepolice would make communities safer. The city of Oakland's police manpoweris a six-year low now homicides are up by more than 100 percent since lastyear. In Portland, police are resigning in record numbers. Meanwhile,homicides soared 1900 percent in the first three months of this year thanover in Minneapolis ground zero for the defund the police movement.The city has lost over 25 percent of its officers. Meanwhile, violent crimespiked 21 percent. And over the last 18 months, Seattle's police forceshrank 20 percent and now homicides are rising to levels not seen in twodecades. Seattle officer Clayton Powell is retiring early and describedwhat his job had become.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)CLAYTON POWELL, FORMER SEATTLE POLICE OFFICER: You've got rocks andbottles, and in some cases, cinder blocks thrown at you and we have tostand there and take it. It's discouraging.UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you told not to react?POWELL: In most cases, yes. When you see, businesses get destroyed andfamilies lose their livelihood because of that destruction. And we can't doanything about it. We're not allowed to intercede.UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're not allowed to intercede.POWELL: No.(END VIDEO CLIP)INGRAHAM: So, what's it like trying to run a business in this atmosphere?Joining us now is Lonnie McQuirter, the owner of the 36 Lind Refuel Stationin Minneapolis. Also with me is Todd Biesold, the owner of Merlino Foods inSeattle.Todd, you heard that former Seattle officer and I believe you actually saythe violence is so bad that delivery trucks won't deliver now to certainareas.TODD BIESOLD, OWNER OF MERLINO FOODS IN SEATTLE: Yes, the officers, thereal deal. We saw our build our businesses in Soto which is in theindustrial part of Seattle. And over the last year or so, we've hadmultiple instances of truck drivers. These are long haul drivers, not tosay the other ones being assaulted at gunpoint, threatened and we hadissues where truck lines will not deliver to Seattle, that's otherbusinesses, we have had issues with customer or truck lines, also saying wejust don't want to go to Seattle and considering there's a trucker shortageright now, and they can sort of pick and choose where they want to go, wecould add to a place where they're not coming.INGRAHAM: That's unbelievable. Now, Lonnie, you took a picture of businessin Minneapolis completely in flames. This is only one mile from your ownbusiness. And you saw firsthand a lot of the looting and unrest there. Atsome point as you know, I've spent a lot of time in Minneapolis, includingquite recently. Do you feel like you have to fend for yourself there that Imean, I never see police in Minneapolis when I'm there rarely?LONNIE MCQUIRTER, 36 LYN REFUEL STATION OWNER: At times, Laura, certainlyit's made life difficult with the smaller police, active police that arehere in Minneapolis and also really the loss of trust between us and ourcommunity and the different members that used to be active and walking outthat are scared once the sun comes down to leave their house or scared justto talk to their neighbors and get to know them.INGRAHAM: When you think of Minnesota, you think of Minnesota nice andMinneapolis is such a great city and wonderful people. I mean, what's just- what run through your mind over the last 14 months of what's gone down.MCQUIRTER: You know, from the reaction to the COVID epidemic up until theGeorge Floyd events that have unfolded and also last month with the officerinvolved shooting in Brooklyn center. Society is really delicate. And thefabric that holds things together is really delicate and really challengingnow, when people are hurting, and they have different ways of coping withit, but it's really problematic when - you don't trust your neighbor,you're not sure how you feel about anything, and you are kind of grapplingto try to figure out, where society is going.And for those that don't have a value system and really sound view of thefuture. It's been really tough on them.INGRAHAM: Todd, we have a lot of focus on January 6th, and what happened onJanuary 6th in the Capitol, and I know Lonnie also has thoughts on this.But I mean, there has been a huge amount of damage across the country donewith this increase in crime and major American cities and suburbs too, bythe way, and it gets some coverage, but not to the extent that we seeendless coverage of January 6th investigations. Meanwhile, the country isfalling apart, beyond the Capitol dome.MCQUIRTER: That's correct. I would say--INGRAHAM: Let's get Todd first, then Lonnie.BIESOLD: Yes, I agree. I mean, we still have major parts of downtownSeattle that are boarded up, they're graffitied over, there's graffitieverywhere. We've got - there are places in the city that you just don'twant to go. We've got tents. Our place gets tagged all the time. We've gotbroken into our fences; it happens all through the whole businessdistricts. I mean, they take batteries, catalytic converters, and theythink they just know there's a total vacuum of police because there aren'tenough and it's not the Seattle police's fault.There just aren't enough of them. And again, I think they're sort of tolddon't intercede. I mean, you can walk into Home Depot down in Soto and walkout with a power tool and nobody is going to do anything.INGRAHAM: Nothing.BIESOLD: The bad guys, they know it.INGRAHAM: And Lonnie, what about a commission to investigate why crime issweeping the country? We have a commission on January 6th, what about acommission about what is happening in our cities?LONNIE MCQUIRTER, 36 LYN REFUEL STATION OWNER: I would love to see that.I'm glad you mentioned January 6th. I think we've had a ton of January 6'sin the year 2020 as well that no one seems to remember as firmly as thoseof us who were there at ground zero. The events unfolded, and we see manymore thousands of individuals victimized and continually traumatized withthe violence that's been going on, specifically in certain parts ofMinneapolis where the gun violence this past week has changed lives foreverof three young kids here. So again, we focus so much on one date withoutlooking, broadly speaking, at all of the other cities that have beenimpacted severely by all of the events that are taking place throughoutthese metropolitan areas.INGRAHAM: Todd and Lonnie, thank you for your stories tonight.And here's a question, do the communities most at risk actually want todefund the police? We already know the answer. Amid last summer's BLM riotsGallup found that 81 percent of black Americans wanted police to spend thesame amount of or more time in their neighborhood.Here now with me, Dr. Ben Carson, former HUD secretary, founder of theAmerican Cornerstone Institute. Dr. Carson, these racial radicals aresignaling to someone out there, thinking they are connecting with someoneon this message of defund the police, but these cities are in a freefall.DR. BEN CARSON, FORMER HUD SECRETARY: Well, obviously, the people who needthe police the most are the people who are in dangerous situations likemany of these inner cities. And when you stop and you think about what thepolice go through, we need to just learn how to be a little morecompassionate and put ourselves in other people's shoes. They get up everymorning, put that uniform on. They don't know if they are coming back home.Every time that telephone rings their spouse's heart jumps up into theirthroat.And now you stop a car, you don't know what you're going to encounter. Andthe sad thing is, there are a few bad police and a few incidents, but thereare millions of encounters with police every week. And you see only a verysmall number of these aberrant cases, but we take those and we magnify themand to make it seem like that's what's going on with everybody. If everyprofession was treated that way, nobody would look good. Doctors, dentists,lawyers, TV correspondents, everybody would look bad if we always judgedthem on the basis of the bad apple. It makes no sense whatsoever.INGRAHAM: And meanwhile, as we were talking about Minneapolis, just overthe last 12, 13 hours, it was reported that a six-year-old, seven-year-oldlittle girl was shot and killed in the city. Again, very small policepresence.CARSON: Absolutely.INGRAHAM: It's just --CARSON: And what would you expect, what would you expect if the police arenot able to do their job because there are so few of them, because so manyof them are retiring? And I wonder, and I hope it's just an aberrantthought, but I wonder if they are trying to get rid of the police, makethem all go away, so that they can call on the military, and we can havethe same kind of situation that was in Washington, D.C., after January the6th.I hope that we don't get to that point. But this is the kind of thing thatwould set that up. And we need to understand that there are consequencesfor these kinds of actions. And we want to continue to have freedom, andthe only way you can have freedom is that you have order, law and order inthe right proportions, and that there is no question that there are thingsthat can be done with the police and with policing. There are all kinds ofnew technologies that are available that are nonlethal. We need to betalking about the various options that exist and how they can be utilized,but more importantly, community policing. I talked to a police officer. Hesaid he walks through the community every day, everybody knows him. Henever has to buy lunch. Everybody loves him. And if there is a problem,they tell them. Those are the kinds of things that we can do.INGRAHAM: Dr. Carson, thank you so much for being here tonight.And the well-funded campaign to vaccinate every living American could beputting lives at risk. Two doctors are here to explain what they found inthree new studies. Don't go anywhere.(COMMERCIAL BREAK)INGRAHAM: Democrats love to talk about the right to privacy. Well, that'snow an obstacle to their goal, though, of forcing COVID vaccines on everyAmerican. Case in point, California Governor Gavin Newsom is sending outroughly 2,000 door knockers to show up at citizens homes to inquire abouttheir vaccination status. And the media, well, they're joining in. This isfrom "USA Today," "Fact Check, businesses can legally ask if patrons havebeen vaccinated. HIPAA does not apply." Of course, the prospect, though, ofwidespread vaccine shaming has Dr. Fauci and friends very excited.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, WHITE HOUSE CHIEF MEDICAL ADVISER: There is no doubt inmy mind or many of my public health colleagues that we are already startingto see steps in that direction where independent entities will likely berequiring proof of vaccination before you can either get on a plane or stepinto a university campus.(END VIDEO CLIP)INGRAHAM: Why stop at vaccines? But speaking of this, could they actuallybe endangering your health? Here now is Dr. Harvey Risch, professor at theYale School of Public Health, and Dr. Peter McCullough, cardiologist,internist, and epidemiologist. Dr. McCullough, quickly summarize thesethree new papers have you worried about this.DR. PETER MCCULLOUGH, MD, MPH, INTERNIST AND CARDIOLOGIST: Thanks forhaving me on, Laura. It's important that we have made great progress inCOVID-19. Patients are being treating early. Rates of hospitalizations anddeaths are way down. But a common question I get in clinical practice is,do I need the COVID-19 vaccine if I've already had COVID-19? And veryimportantly, is there any risk to that?Well, the randomized trials, the registrational trials excluded patientswith prior COVID-19. So we have no safety data, and to this day we have nostudies demonstrating any clinical benefit. Now two studies out of theUnited Kingdom and one out of New York City show higher rates of vaccineadverse events when COVID-19 recovered patients are needlessly vaccinated.So in my view, these patients, it's contraindicated for them to receive theCOVID-19 vaccine. No evidence of benefit, and only evidence of harm.INGRAHAM: Dr. Risch, even though Dr. Fauci has no grandkids of his own, Iguess, he wants yours to get vaccinated.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, WHITE HOUSE CHIEF MEDICAL ADVISER: I am not agrandparent, yet. Hopefully soon, but I'm not. But I were, I would say thatsix years old and four-years-olds would likely be able to get vaccinated bythe time we reach the end of calendar year 2021, and at the latest, intothe first quarter of 2022.UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you would recommend it?FAUCI: Oh, absolutely. If I had grandchildren, I would certainly recommendthey get vaccinated.(END VIDEO CLIP)INGRAHAM: Dr. Risch, how irresponsible is this?DR. HARVEY RISCH, YALE SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH: It's irrational becauseyoung children particularly do not get very sick with COVID. They getfevers and headaches and tiredness and that's it. They don't spread thevirus. They certainly don't die from the virus. So neither they nor thesociety around them has any interest in vaccinating them. And the onlything that could happen to them is they get some harm from the virus. Andnow we've started to see in the VAERS database 15-year-old children gettingheart attacks, two years old dying a day after the vaccination, a six monthold dying from the child's mother's vaccination and getting it throughbreast milk. So children have no reason to die from vaccination. That isn'tgoing to help them or the society either.INGRAHAM: Dr. McCullough, is this all about a constant stream of money thatthe drug companies make from the vaccines? Now we are talking about boostershots. We heard Fauci talking about that today. So presumably the kidswould have to get booster shots forever without any concern of naturalimmunity or acquired immunity after having been exposed?MCCULLOUGH: The vaccine stakeholders, the manufacturers, the NIH, the CDC,and the FDA, they made a great gamble. And the gamble was the epidemic wasgoing to be closed out with vaccination alone. And what we found is thevaccine does not provide complete protection, and now we're seeing reallyalarming rates of harm in the adverse event reporting system. So the CDCreally immediately needs to have an external, unbiassed event adjudicationcommittee and data sifting monitoring committee as it would in any clinicalinvestigation.INGRAHAM: And the CDC Director Walensky, by the way, Dr. Risch, encouragingpregnant women, you referenced the breast milk issue, to get vaccinated.Watch.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)DR. ROCHELLE WALENSKY, CDC DIRECTOR: We have no reason to suspect thatthese vaccines result in any infertility now or in the future. We have noreason to believe that getting vaccinated should change your menstrualcycle or make your periods any heavier. There have been decades and decadesof research in MRNA technology that has led to the science that allowed usto meet this moment.(END VIDEO CLIP)INGRAHAM: Dr. Risch, setting aside the creepy music, what about this?RISCH: Well, the absence of information is not information on the absenceof risk. And pregnant women have not been study in the clinical trials ofsafety that were used by the manufacturers, and they haven't even beenstudied long enough to know what outcomes from first trimestervaccinations, so the first third of pregnancy, if women get vaccinated, wedon't even know what happens to their offspring, if there's risks ofstillbirth, genetic abnormalities. We know that fevers in the first thirdof pregnancy increase risk of genetic abnormalities in their children, andthese vaccines frequently cause fevers when they're given. So they have notbeen studied. There is the complete absence of information about whathappens when you vaccinate pregnant women.INGRAHAM: Anti-science. Doctors, thank you.And Democratic Governor Tom Wolf of Pennsylvania did his best to ruin thatstate with his destructive COVID lockdowns. But the voters stood up, andthey just delivered a huge rebuke that provides a roadmap for people acrossthe country. We'll explain it next.(COMMERCIAL BREAK)INGRAHAM: These draconian pandemic controls that everyone endured for thelast 14 months, it ended up creating a big backlash against the power-hungry blue state governors. The latest example came from Pennsylvaniawhere citizens were for months living under Governor Wolf's reign ofterror.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)GOV. TOM WOLF, (D) PENNSYLVANIA: I'm asking all Pennsylvanians to wear amask any time you leave your house. Schools will remain closed for the restof the academic year.Indoor dining for this three-week period will be suspended.We out to avoid any congregate settings.The guidance from us, recommendation is that we don't do any sports untilJanuary 1st.(END VIDEO CLIP)INGRAHAM: The voters got sick of all this, and they approved two measuresearly this week to curtail the governor's use of emergency powers. Joiningme now is one of the legislators who led the charge against Wolf's COVIDtyranny, Pennsylvania state senator Jake Corman. Senator, could this be amodel for other states given how these emergency powers were used andabused and reupped and reupped and reupped?JAKE CORMAN, (R) PENNSYLVANIA STATE SENATE: I believe it will be. I've hadcommunications with a lot of other states, a lot of other legislators. Andthe issue of legislative responsibility and the executive branchresponsibility was the main topic of all these states, whether they haveDemocratic or Republican governors, Democratic legislatures, Republicanlegislatures. The legislative branch of government is the voice of thepeople. And to be shut out for this period of time is just unacceptable,and it's not what our framers had intended. And so I believe that we're thefirst out, and we're excited about that, but I believe other states willfollow.INGRAHAM: Senator, this sounds a little, maybe, fresh, but why did it takeso long? Most of these rules are slowly winding down, but are you preparingfor the next declaration, whether it's a climate or racial emergency? Or isthat why you're doing this now?CORMAN: Yes, we had to go the constitutional route. We passed a statute,and the governor took us to court, and we lost in a court to a veryPennsylvania Supreme Court. So then we went the constitutional amendmentprocess, which takes two sessions to complete. We completed it this year,went on the main ballot this primary, and the voters overwhelminglysupported it. So that's a process that we needed to do.But yes, we are preparing for not only the completion of this one, but forthe next one so that people won't be subjected to the same type ofunilateral control as this governor has had for the last 14 months.INGRAHAM: The governor responded to the vote this way.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)GOV. TOM WOLF, (D) PENNSYLVANIA: I met with the leaders in both caucusesand both chambers to figure out how we're going to move forward with that.So we are starting that conversation. You can't just flick a switch andmake the change. But the voters have spoken, and we're going to do what Ithink the voters expect us to do, and that's make the best of it.INGRAHAM: Does it sound like he might be dragging his feet? You can't justflick a switch? The language is pretty clear.CORMAN: Yes, the language is clear, and now we could end the emergency atany point in time, or after 21 days he has to come to the legislature foran extension. So that's what the two ballot questions were. So we'replanning on working with the governor. Our whole idea was that we needed tobe at the table to have discussions, to be part of the process on how wegovern Pennsylvania. And so we'll be jumping right in. We've already hadsome discussions with the governor, and we're going to be putting ouropinions at the table on this. And then if we don't agree with the governorwe'll end the emergency. But hopefully we can work together now as ourframers intended.INGRAHAM: And State Senator, we really appreciate you giving us RachelLevine in the Department of HHS. So thanks for that.Is the secretary of the interior hiding workers in her office? The LastBite will explain it, next.(COMMERCIAL BREAK)INGRAHAM: The Department of the Interior seems an odd place to work.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was sworn in by the very first woman vice president,also a woman of color. That was really probably the best --UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm sorry, Secretary, I'm going to interrupt you realquick. You have a staffer who fully crawled on the carpet behind you, andit's the greatest thing I've ever seen.Sir, sir? We know you're behind the desk.(END VIDEO CLIP)INGRAHAM: That happens to me every time my earring drops.Content and Programming Copyright 2021 Fox News Network, LLC. ALLRIGHTS RESERVED. Copyright 2021 VIQ Media Transcription, Inc. Allmaterials herein are protected by United States copyright law and may notbe reproduced, distributed, transmitted, displayed, published or broadcastwithout the prior written permission of VIQ Media Transcription, Inc. 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