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Caryn
@Caryn

12: 24 PM PDT ⋅ Sep 3, 2021

How incredibly depressing.  Because it’s entirely true.  You left out the un-elected bureaucrats who illegitimately, yet nonetheless, make law and run our lives.  

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Henry Racette
@HenryRacette

12: 56 PM PDT ⋅ Sep 3, 2021

Dr. Bastiat: The problem is our media, and our educational establishment.
A-frappin’-men, Doc.

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DrewInWisconsin, Oaf
@DrewInWisconsin

1: 02 PM PDT ⋅ Sep 3, 2021

I’ve said it so often on this forum that it’s probably going on my tombstone: the only way to save the country is to destroy the media.

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Bob Thompson
@BobThompson

1: 11 PM PDT ⋅ Sep 3, 2021

Caryn (View Comment):
How incredibly depressing. Because it’s entirely true. You left out the un-elected bureaucrats who illegitimately, yet nonetheless, make law and run our lives.
Your point is correct but it results precisely from the nature of government itself rather than from believing in the goodness of socialism that distorts the purpose of the media and academia. The nature of government, as the nature of man itself, produces evil outcomes. The bigger the influence the greater the evil outcomes. The rational man, as opposed to the natural man,  seeks a small government.
I agree wholeheartedly with @drbastiat that Communist leaders are never themselves believers in Marxism but many in the media and academia are. Even when they dominate in these fields, they don’t win the debate unless they can keep the opposing viewpoints from being expressed. This is a battle not fought before at this level within the United States.

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Bob Thompson
@BobThompson

1: 43 PM PDT ⋅ Sep 3, 2021

DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):
I’ve said it so often on this forum that it’s probably going on my tombstone: the only way to save the country is to destroy the media.
Remember when we used the Voice of America to get the message out in the foreign Communist countries. Now we need it here at home on social media. There must be a regulation that it can’t be blocked or suspended.

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Stina
@CM

2: 00 PM PDT ⋅ Sep 3, 2021

I’ve been toying with the idea of spinning up local community circulars with critical local events and happenings. Just pass them out for free at first. Get some advertising interest with very local, community businesses as your circular becomes popular.
Keep it off line. Keep it paper based. Start small and under the radar and try not to go big to draw attention from controllers.

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Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot)
@ArizonaPatriot

2: 07 PM PDT ⋅ Sep 3, 2021

Doc, good post, as usual.  I have two thoughts.
First, I’m not sure that Marxist is the right term for the folks that I think you’re talking about.  They’re not classical Marxists, concerned with the plight of the proletariat and advocating public ownership of the means of production as their remedy.
Jordan Peterson has called them post-modern neo-Marxists.  I think that the neo-Marxist part is right, but as Peterson notes, post-modernism is inconsistent with a grand narrative like Marxism or neo-Marxism.  I think that post-modern deconstruction is their tactic, not their underlying philosophy.
I also think that “neo-Marxist” is ambiguous, potentially encompassing more than one alternative theory or view.   I think that the folks you’re talking about might be called something like “identity-politics neo-Marxists.”
Second, how did it come to pass that this view became dominant in our society?  Doesn’t it just show that they are winning in the marketplace of ideas?  If so, doesn’t this undermine the classic liberal theory of freedom of speech? 
It seems to me that this empirical rebuttal of the utility of freedom of speech is a strong argument, unless we can show that there was some abuse of government power that distorted the marketplace of ideas.  If this occurred, what was the intervention that caused the market distortion?  The possibility that occurs to me is the use of anti-discrimination laws as an ideological weapon.
There may be other alternatives that haven’t occurred to me.  What do all of you think?

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Bob Thompson
@BobThompson

2: 22 PM PDT ⋅ Sep 3, 2021

Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
Second, how did it come to pass that this view became dominant in our society?  Doesn’t it just show that they are winning in the marketplace of ideas?  If so, doesn’t this undermine the classic liberal theory of freedom of speech? 

They win in our public education system and higher education by controlling the narrative while pretending free speech is in place. This has been in place for possibly four decades, maybe longer. Now, with the big techs and media espousing the Communist theme  and blocking other views on social media, we are in a battle domestically under conditions almost equivalent to those that existed previously in countries dominated by Communists.

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MarciN
@MarciN

2: 37 PM PDT ⋅ Sep 3, 2021

One of my favorite GW moments:
A reporter was hounding him one day as George was walking away. “But, Mr. President, Mr. President, I represent the people.”
George stopped in his tracks. He turned and looked at him in that calm way he had. “No, you don’t. I do.” 🙂 🙂

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Hoyacon
@Hoyacon

2: 41 PM PDT ⋅ Sep 3, 2021

Are these hopeful signs?

Conservative media seems to be growing, while the usual suspects on the left are wallowing and distrusted (even NPR).  See entrepreneurs like Ben Shapiro.  It takes awhile.
CRT has had a considerable effect by waking people up to what’s going on in K-12.
Some are recognizing that college should not be an “automatic” for everyone, and in fact can be a useless money pit.

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Stina
@CM

2: 42 PM PDT ⋅ Sep 3, 2021

Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment): It seems to me that this empirical rebuttal of the utility of freedom of speech is a strong argument, unless we can show that there was some abuse of government power that distorted the marketplace of ideas.  If this occurred, what was the intervention that caused the market distortion?  The possibility that occurs to me is the use of anti-discrimination laws as an ideological weapon.
Where the distortion began was appealing to our baser natures. Do what you want. It separated people from God and they chose a new authority. God doesn’t let me do whatever I want, but government does.
Once separated from God, we were made fearful of the world, of consequences, of pain and suffering (notice the Bible tells us not to fear any of these things, but to rejoice in our suffering and rely on Him). The Government swept in and said, “I can solve this problem and make your fears go away.”
The ideas were more alluring and this is exactly what Marx said was necessary to make a compliant people – separate them from God and they will fall in line.
We shouldn’t be that surprised as Christians. Nowhere in the Bible does it indicate that human nature desires freedom.

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Flicker
@Flicker

3: 00 PM PDT ⋅ Sep 3, 2021

Yes, it’s depressing.  I remember the good old days, you know, after the election, when Trump had signed an EO making foreign interference in election infrastructure an act of war, and put a Special Forces expert in at SecDef, and plane spotters were whispering of massive transports heading into and out of Guantanamo, and there were rumors abounding that thousands of subpoenas had been issued by hundreds of secret grand juries, and the military was ready to make mass arrests.  It was crazy then, unpatriotic, unconstitutional, not who we are, but still thinkable.  Now it’s just a vague vaporous dream of missed opportunities.

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DonG (2+2=5. Say it!)
@DonG

3: 39 PM PDT ⋅ Sep 3, 2021

Public colleges are tax payer sponsored and politicians can fix it if they choose.   The one who pays the fiddler chooses the tune!

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DrewInWisconsin, Oaf
@DrewInWisconsin

3: 44 PM PDT ⋅ Sep 3, 2021

DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):
Public colleges are tax payer sponsored and politicians can fix it if they choose. The one who pays the fiddler chooses the tune!

but but . . . we’re the ones paying and our politicians do jack squat.

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Hoyacon
@Hoyacon

3: 47 PM PDT ⋅ Sep 3, 2021

DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):
Public colleges are tax payer sponsored and politicians can fix it if they choose. The one who pays the fiddler chooses the tune!

but but . . . we’re the ones paying and our politicians do jack squat.

Did “conservative icon” Scott Walker ever have anything to say about Moscow on the Mendota?

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Old Bathos
@OldBathos

4: 30 PM PDT ⋅ Sep 3, 2021

Readership and viewership steadily declining, the value of higher education gutted by indoctrination and absurd prices… when does reality break the dam?
Rush Limbaugh, Fox News and Trump succeeded in part from the sheer novelty of stepping outside of a very tired groupthink.
Absurd concepts of sex and sexuality, of race and history, of economics and education are mandated as a weird power trip by a morally and intellectually bankrupt elite. It’s power is based less on actual conviction than FOMO class-signaling.  
The attack on all things normal and good will ultimately cost the elite the tacit political support of recent immigrants and minorities. Only with a large mandate from the normals can the good guys truly defund the left and restore sanity. 

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Misthiocracy got drunk and
@Misthiocracy

5: 14 PM PDT ⋅ Sep 3, 2021

“Reinventing oneself as the champion of the working man is the surest way to avoid becoming one.”
– Jack Dunphy

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DaveSchmidt
@DaveSchmidt

5: 44 PM PDT ⋅ Sep 3, 2021

Bob Thompson (View Comment):

DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):
I’ve said it so often on this forum that it’s probably going on my tombstone: the only way to save the country is to destroy the media.

Remember when we used the Voice of America to get the message out in the foreign Communist countries. Now we need it here at home on social media. There must be a regulation that it can’t be blocked or suspended.

Ok, but who would run the programming? Mayor Pete and his Facebook cronies?? 

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DaveSchmidt
@DaveSchmidt

5: 45 PM PDT ⋅ Sep 3, 2021

Bob Thompson (View Comment):

DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):
I’ve said it so often on this forum that it’s probably going on my tombstone: the only way to save the country is to destroy the media.

Remember when we used the Voice of America to get the message out in the foreign Communist countries. Now we need it here at home on social media. There must be a regulation that it can’t be blocked or suspended.

Ok, but who would run the programming? Mayor Pete and his Facebook cronies?? 

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CACrabtree
@CACrabtree

8: 46 PM PDT ⋅ Sep 3, 2021

Those who did “vote ’em in” are composed mostly of:
a)  Coastal elites, academic elites, and media elites; and
b)  Those who are so hungry for Uncle Sam’s goodies that they will vote for anyone who has a “D” following their name.
Given this, the best that Conservatives can hope for is that tiny sliver of independents who are still persuadable.  It’s not impossible but it’s very difficult.

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CACrabtree
@CACrabtree

10: 00 PM PDT ⋅ Sep 3, 2021

Bob Thompson (View Comment):

DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):
I’ve said it so often on this forum that it’s probably going on my tombstone: the only way to save the country is to destroy the media.

Remember when we used the Voice of America to get the message out in the foreign Communist countries. Now we need it here at home on social media. There must be a regulation that it can’t be blocked or suspended.

I thought it was pretty telling that one of the first Trump Apointees to be fired by Biden was the head of the U.S. Agency for Global Media which is the umbrella organization for Voice of America, the Office of Cuba Broadcasting, Radio Free Asia, the Middle East Broadcasting Networks and Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty.  The mission of the agency is rather simple: to tell “America’s story” and promote American ideals.  Yet it has been turned into just another political football; in this instance broadcasting left wing garbage to the rest of the world.  
I don’t see a chance in h*ll that U.S. media will ever reform itself.  Right now, there’s absolutely no incentive for them to do so.

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Stad
@Stad

15 Hours Ago

Old Bathos (View Comment): Absurd concepts of sex and sexuality, of race and history, of economics and education are mandated as a weird power trip by a morally and intellectually bankrupt elite. It’s power is based less on actual conviction than FOMO class-signaling.
Two thumbs up.

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I Walton
@IWalton

13 Hours Ago

That is exactly right, across the board.  Unfortunately reasonably rational folks won’t realize just how totalitarian this bunch is until we lose the next two elections.  If we don’t lose them, if we elect someone like Trump, we can attempt to fix it, but that is unlikely.  The alternative is separation.  Can it be done, will folks still be convinced it’s not over, is there a way out, can it be fixed with time, or is it too late?  Depends on what China does, how much control they have, and how we respond to them.   First step is to rid ourselves of Biden, but he’s not impeachable unless we can prove the Chinese link which we can’t prove unless he’s removed. 

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TempTime
@TempTime

7 Hours Ago

Capital post.
Crystal clear thinking.  Call me a fan.

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Dr. Bastiat
@drbastiat

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7 Hours Ago

TempTime (View Comment):
Capital post.
Crystal clear thinking. Call me a fan.

Thanks much!  Very kind of you to say!

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Ontheleftcoast
@Ontheleftcoast

1 Hour Ago

Dr. Bastiat: Very few members of the Politburo actually believed in leftist Marxist silliness.
Maybe true towards the end, but it wasn’t the case under Lenin or Stalin. Joel Kotkin’s biography of Stalin demonstrates this from Soviet archives which include Politburo minutes. Many of those purged by Stalin and Lenin went willingly to their deaths out of Party discipline.
I have watched student radicals from the 1960s become important elected and appointed officials—and are every bit as radical in their 60s and 70s as they were in their 20s. Unfortunately, they are extremely hard working and have become patient and skilled politicians and bureaucrats. It’s true that they have no problem living well from their salaries and perquisites, but they are certain that they are doing the People’s work and need to have the available resources to devote their full time to their important work.
Dr. Bastiat: The problem is our media, and our educational establishment
By the 1920s, the CPUSA began to dominate New York City’s Teachers Union. The importation of the Frankfurt School in the 1930s and its subsequent takeover of Columbia University’s Teacher’s College with its huge impact on curriculum and education theory nationwide was another giant step down the road.
At about the same time, the USSR’s plans for revolution in the US began to add race to their class struggle paradigm.
Trevor Louden writes for The Epoch Times:
Communists long ago realized that it’s difficult to achieve the social disintegration needed to ready a country for communist revolution by promoting class division alone.
Class is amorphous; it can change within a generation. In a free society, an ambitious individual can rise from beggar to billionaire in a lifetime. Class is an unreliable wedge issue for revolutionaries, especially in Western free-market societies.
Ethnic, religious, and especially racial differences are more stable. The divisions are deeper; the differences, more obvious; and their histories, more imbued with bitterness and hatred. Few people care that their grandparents were poor, but many might care that they were slaves or dispossessed of their ancestral lands by a rival racial or ethnic group. Such resentments can last for generations.
Black former CPUSA official Manning Johnson wrote
The placing of the repository of everything, right and just, among the darker races is a dastardly Communist trick to use race as a means of grabbing and enslaving the whole of humanity.
. . .
To one familiar with red trickery, it is obvious that placing the blame for all the Negroes’ ills at the door of the white leaders in America is to remove all responsibility from the Negro. This tends to make the Negro:

feel sorry for himself;

blame others for his failures;

ignore the countless opportunities around him;

jealous of the progress of other racial and national groups;

expect the white man to do everything for him;

look for easy and quick solutions as a substitute for the harsh realities of competitive struggle to get ahead.

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DaveSchmidt
@DaveSchmidt

1 Hour Ago

Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

Dr. Bastiat: Very few members of the Politburo actually believed in leftist Marxist silliness.

That may well have been true towards the end, but it was not the case under Lenin or Stalin. Joel Kotkin’s biography of Stalin demonstrates this from Soviet archives which include Politburo minutes. Many of those purged by Stalin and Lenin went willingly to their deaths out of Party discipline.
I have personally observed student radicals from the 1960s who become important elected and appointed officials and are every bit as ideologically radical in their 60s and 70s as they were in their 20s. Unfortunately, they have become extremely hard working, patient and skilled politicians and bureaucrats. It’s true that they have no problem living well from their salaries and perquisites, but they are certain that they are doing the People’s work and need to have the available resources to devote their full time to their important work.

Dr. Bastiat: The problem is our media, and our educational establishment

By the 1920s, the CPUSA began to dominate New York City’s Teachers Union. The importation of the Frankfurt School in the 1930s and its subsequent takeover of Columbia University’s Teacher’s College with its huge impact on curriculum and education theory nationwide was another giant step down the road.

I cannot think of a single teacher education program that is not heavily influenced by Marxist thought and praxis.  

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Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot)
@ArizonaPatriot

1 Hour Ago

Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

Dr. Bastiat: Very few members of the Politburo actually believed in leftist Marxist silliness.

That may well have been true towards the end, but it was not the case under Lenin or Stalin. Joel Kotkin’s biography of Stalin demonstrates this from Soviet archives which include Politburo minutes. Many of those purged by Stalin and Lenin went willingly to their deaths out of Party discipline.
I have personally observed student radicals from the 1960s who become important elected and appointed officials and are every bit as ideologically radical in their 60s and 70s as they were in their 20s. Unfortunately, they have become extremely hard working, patient and skilled politicians and bureaucrats. It’s true that they have no problem living well from their salaries and perquisites, but they are certain that they are doing the People’s work and need to have the available resources to devote their full time to their important work.

Dr. Bastiat: The problem is our media, and our educational establishment

By the 1920s, the CPUSA began to dominate New York City’s Teachers Union. The importation of the Frankfurt School in the 1930s and its subsequent takeover of Columbia University’s Teacher’s College with its huge impact on curriculum and education theory nationwide was another giant step down the road.

Oh, boy, talk about fast forwarding to current events.  Do you think that the Frankfurt School guys were improvidently allowed into the country, as refugees?  I’m inclined to think this.  Though I expect that the current refugees being allowed into our country, improvidently, will cause different problems — worse and more horrid in the short term, less damaging in the long term.

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Ontheleftcoast
@Ontheleftcoast

53 Minutes Ago

Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

Oh, boy, talk about fast forwarding to current events. Do you think that the Frankfurt School guys were improvidently allowed into the country, as refugees? I’m inclined to think this. 

The rubric was “refugee,” but they were brought in by John Dewey.

. . .Ralph de Toledano, the late great conservative journalist and polemicist, provides part of the answer….
“The neo-Marxists didn’t look to the economic theories of Marx, but to his earlier, more destructive impulses. They didn’t want to abolish capital, they wanted to abolish society. In this book de Toledano provides the history of the aims, origins, rise and dominance of these intellectual barbarians.
‘Years before he had inflicted the unscientific maunderings of Das Kapital and the dogmas of dialectical materialism on a long-suffering world, Marx called for what had to be accomplished—the ‘ruthless destruction of everything existing.’ That destruction would wipe out religion, the family, morality, the free interplay of men and economic forces, human relationships, and everything that made Western civilization…
‘So in 1922, the conspiracy was hatched at the Marx-Engels Institute in Moscow byKarl Radek, a power in thePolitburoand the representative of Lenin, Felix Djerzhinski, head of the Soviet secret police, Georg Lukas, cultural commissar of the short-lived Hungarian Bolshevik revolution, and Willi Muenzenberg, the Comintern’s organizational genius. The seemingly modest instrument was the Institute of Social Research, planted in the prestigious Frankfurt University, and dedicated to neo-Marxism.’
“To a great extent, the conspiracy succeeded, and de Toledano recounts in brutal detail how the cluster of intellectuals around the Institute of Social Research became the powerful group known as the Frankfurt School. It began in Germany, where the Institute, led by Theodore Adorno had a connection to almost every debasement of art and culture, but it did not end there. Its outreaches into Britain compromised the intelligence services of that country, but the greatest harm came when the Frankfurt School decamped to America, courtesy of John Dewey and Columbia University….
“John Dewey’s sponsorship gave the Institute a lock on Teacher’s College—the foremost educational institution in the U.S. The influence of Teacher’s College, in fact, reached out across the country, as its graduates filled more that 60 percent of all teaching and educational and administrative posts in the country.”

Dewey was no dewy eyed naïf. He

. . .was an avowed socialist and the co-author of the “Humanist Manifesto.” The U.S. House Committee on Un-American Activities discovered that he belonged to 15 Marxist front organizations. Dewey taught the professors who trained America’s teachers. Obsessed with “the group,” he said:
“You can’t make socialists out of individualists. Children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society, which is coming, where everyone is interdependent.”

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Stina
@CM

5 Minutes Ago

Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):
. . .Ralph de Toledano, the late great conservative journalist and polemicist, provides part of the answer….
“The neo-Marxists didn’t look to the economic theories of Marx, but to his earlier, more destructive impulses. They didn’t want to abolish capital, they wanted to abolish society. In this book de Toledano provides the history of the aims, origins, rise and dominance of these intellectual barbarians.

I think the immigration waves during and post World Wars brought in a lot of socialists and/or communists masquerading as refugees.
You know, the waves that define this nation as a “nation of immigrants”.

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