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[–]FluffyProphet 3530 points3531 points3532 points  (460 children)

Seriously. It's almost too easy.

I know he stepped down from the day to day operations, so perhaps it's not in his power to make the decision anymore... but if Amazon wanted to shake the "evil cooperation" label, buying up big chunks of rain forest to preserve would be an expensive shortcut, but one that would cling to to for a generation or more.

Edit: in retro spec, this was a bad hot take and I think my critics are correct.

[–]TimmJimmGrimm 15 points16 points17 points  (8 children)

People explain to me how any large business works once it goes to shareholder trading.

As far as i can tell, any corporation above a certain size is effectively a soulless weaponization, just not with so many guns. It makes me sad.

Edit: wording surreal / changed / comprehensible?

[–]IanMazgelis 20 points21 points22 points  (5 children)

I honestly wouldn't have much of a problem with Bezos if his companies were just forced to pay taxes, and if they were forced to treat their employees fairly- Both of which are issues where I don't think it should even be a choice, the law should absolutely require both of those things rather than being apathetic and hoping companies will just hand over a huge percentage of their profit and give employees more than the bare minimum of proper treatment. Obviously given the choice any company is going to maximize revenue, that's what we have regulations for.

I think it's much more righteous to be frustrated with our government for failing to regulate this kind of thing than it is to be angry at someone who isn't voluntarily limiting themselves in a way their competitors won't. No doubt that would be great and very commendable, but it's just a ridiculous way to think about this issue, and a kind of thinking that has never historically yielded anything. No tax policies or worker protections ever came from corporate goodwill, so the focus should be on our representatives and the state apparatus, which is where they're meant to come from and historically have.

Like I don't love the guy but he's not exactly the only billionaire to do this. Companies of that size just don't pay taxes in the United States. Given the choice, how many of us would? That's where the issue comes from- It shouldn't be a choice for the people who should be generating the most internal revenue, and I'm upset with the people who made it a choice.

[–]zeFrogSings 556 points557 points558 points  (95 children)

Doubtful really. A big part of why it's so hard to stop deforestation is that people seriously underestimate how large the amazon is. A lot of illegal logging simply happens by picking a random bit of amazon and logging it before anyone realises someone's there.

Combine that with the fact that land ownership is very poorly registered and maintained in much of South America and it becomes completely irrelevant if someone owns the land.

Simply keeping an eye on it would require an enormous surveillance and private security effort.

[–]zeFrogSings 9 points10 points11 points  (8 children)

Not really. At best they'd be able to point out all of the places where they're too late to prevent logging.

Seeing something is kinda pointless if you can't stop it. You'd need a global tech giant with advanced surveillance technology and a private army kept at a permanent state of readiness.

If you've seen the annual US armed forces budget you'd understand that even Bezos would go bankrupt trying that.

[–]arindale 49 points50 points51 points  (5 children)

The issues in the Amazon are different than the issues in Mexico. Here's a small sample of the issues that the Amazon faces:

- Varying indigenous groups with different goals, levels of education, and access to resources

- Economic incentives to burn down the forest to make way for cattle farming

- Unclear property ownership

- Large areas that are very difficult to access

- lack of government support (and rampant corruption)

- unkept promises by rich countries to fund the Amazon

We are already monitoring satellite imagery of the entire Amazon on a regular basis. And there are plenty of companies that would be happy to buy up tracts of the Amazon to protect it. The PR alone would be worth the cost. But the lack of government support and corruption means that any investment made is at risk.

[–]autotldrBOT 278 points279 points280 points  (2 children)

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 64%. (I'm a bot)

Prince Charles played a key role in getting Jeff Bezos to pledge £732million for land restoration in Africa, it has emerged.

At a Cop26 event alongside the Prince of Wales and French president Emmanuel Macron, the Amazon founder said he would match a previous contribution made through his Bezos Earth Fund.The event highlighted the Great Green Wall initiative, which will plant 20million trees across the width of Africa to counter desertification on the continent.

Bezos later tweeted: 'The Prince of Wales has been involved in fighting climate change and protecting our beautiful world far longer than most.

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[–]A_Light_Spark 5 points6 points7 points  (7 children)

maybe used to “talking things out” by way of communication?

I'm the one asking to talk things out, then she told me that she needs a time-out for one week. Which was why I used that week to write a letter.

And I know she can read well, she's a lawyer.

Edit: and when she rage spammed me, I asked her to chill, rethink and write me a letter instead. Then she said "I don't trust words" and give me the ultimatum that "if we don't talk now then we'll never talk again." Honestly I was scared to talk to her because she was so aggressive and I was trying to not get hurt emotionally.

I really wish I'm making this up.

[–]FilledWithDucks 448 points449 points450 points  (34 children)

I will say this: Prince Charles might look like an inbred sleepy accountant...but he knows how to get powerful people involved. It never makes the headlines, but this is par the course for him. He was the one who got the US involved with the great reset in the first place. He just took Bush on a yacht and wow'ed him for a few hours. That's all it really takes.

Anyway, he's doing big things with big people for the planet and I appreciate that.

/not a royal shill.

[–]Sir_Francis_Burton 18 points19 points20 points  (6 children)

A lot of Africans still cook over wood fires made from sticks that they collect. They’re trying to keep the trees they have, but it’s hard for soil to get established when all of the sticks get picked up. If Africans had a better way to cook their dinners it would help promote re-growth of new trees.

The temptation that a lot of billionaire might have if they agreed with me would be to buy a ship-load of solar-cookers or something and then hand them out for free.

But a better way to spend their money would be to build a cooker factory somewhere in Africa, get it all staffed and running, and then just give it to the employees you hired to run as a co-op.

Believe it or not there is a little bit of economy going on, even in the poorest places. Spending two or three hours of every day collecting sticks is a pain in the ass that nobody wants to do and there are better things that people could be doing. And it would be good for the trees, too!