Government of Canada moving forward with banning single-use plastics


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[–]KURAKAZE 419 points420 points421 points  (165 children)

My area banned free single use plastic bags for shops, results are the shops all made their plastic bags slightly thicker so that it is now "reusable". A few places moved to use paper bags but those get wet if you have moist grocery items and the grocery still need to go inside a plastic bag and then they go into the paper bag, so double bagging.

Everyone still uses the plastic bags only once and now we got the same amount of plastic bag garbage but with more actual plastic.

Banning single use plastic without a reasonable alternative isn't going to solve the problem.

[–]Andruboine 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)

Except look back 40 years and realize we had alternative s already they just went away from them to save costs.

Similar to the wage problems. We've created a debt by "innovating".

Wage increases went to shareholders and recyclability went away to reduce costs. And now when both of those debts are so high people look at them as a huge expense.

Well yea if we decide to procrastinate or screw people over for decades that's going to come back and bite us at some point.

Cold Turkey is the way to go. Most smaller innovative business already do the shit theyre supposed to do big business are the ones that will cry about it as they subsidize the costs anyways.

[–]elebrin 12 points13 points14 points  (0 children)

I have a bunch of cloth bags. A couple are homemade, but most were bought from different stores when there was a discount offered for buying one.

Of course, when Covid rules came down the pipe, reusable cloth bags were banned and nobody went back to allowing them. And it's dumb because I have a bunch of insulated ones for frozen stuff that are really nice.

Thankfully I do have a use for the plastic bags. They are one of the more convenient options for the cat poopy.

[–]KURAKAZE 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)

I agree that people should reuse the bags whenever they can. Unfortunately most people don't.

The ones who care enough to actually bring their own bags to a store to reduce plastic waste would be doing it already so this "ban" didn't really push too many people to change their habits IMO

I see tons of these new "reusable" plastic bags in the garbage. To be fair, these ones are only slightly thicker and will break easily with reuse and not really reusable but I guess it was enough to circumvent the rule.

[–]drae- 30 points31 points32 points  (5 children)

Plastic absolutely was brought in as the environmentally friendly alternative to paper.

Back in the 80s the big environmental concern was clear cutting trees. The amazon was getting decimated and it was a big news story.

Today that looks asinine, but part of the reasoning at the time was absolutely to "save the trees".

[–]roman_maverik 13 points14 points15 points  (1 child)

I think the poster above meant plastic was cheaper for the corporations using it.

Of course they are going to say it’s to protect the trees. Just how food companies market “diet” or “light” ice cream or yogurt as a healthy alternative when in reality it allows them to use less fat, protein, and cheaper ingredients.

That’s what the term greenwashing means.

They pay PR companies to make it an actual issue through earned media, then it becomes reality in the public’s eyes.

It doesn’t matter if any rainforest trees were actually being cut down for toilet paper or not, as long as the public thought trees were being cut down for toilet paper.

I work in PR and see this every day.

[–]taco_truck_wednesday 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not to defend waste practices, but do you know how hard it is to get people to throw stuff in the proper bin? Now I'm getting fined by the pickup company or worse yet - they refuse to pick it up so now I have to waste man hours sorting and don't have a place to dispose of material that keeps up with the schedule.

Recycling is generally cheaper than just general pickup if people sort properly. If they don't, it is so much more expensive.

Source: I've worked in manufacturing where this was a thing and saw some people get fired for repeated violations. But also in the US Navy where they literally stood trash watches where you would have 1-2 Sailors at a time stand watch for 4 hours at a time, 24/7. Their sole job was to stand there and make sure people threw stuff in the correct dumpster on the pier.

Not that the Navy gives a shit about the environment. While underway I would be in the smoke pit and watch them dump hundreds of points of plastic waste in the ocean every night, in direct violation of Navy regulation - they would just do it when most were sleeping.

[–]raymond8505 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)

yeah this. I have a cupboard overflowing with deli and take out containers to re-use. Now I only keep new ones if I need to replenish the pile else it all goes in the recycling

The cynic in me assumes this is deliberate- companies still get to use plastic containers while putting the blame back on us when the ocean garbage patch doesn't shrink

"what? We gave you re-useable containers! What more do you want?!"

[–]N43N 12 points13 points14 points  (0 children)

Huh? Can I ask what country you are living in?

At least here in Germany, what you write is not the case. Here, either people use paper bags or bring their own cotton bags. Even delivery services mostly use paper containers and they work pretty well. There are some places that use reusable containers, but they make you pay for them if you don't return them so noone puts them into the trash.

It's pretty rare to see plastic bags these days. The only stuff that annoys me is that plastic straws are forbidden, but those plastic lids on the drinking cups aren't. That's stupid, but it even feels like paper straws are becoming better and aren't as bad as they used to be.

[–]DiamondPup 95 points96 points97 points  (22 children)

Ugh. This kind of cynicism is everywhere on Reddit and it's so tiring and frustrating.

For some reason, reddit is deeply in love in its everything-is-shit, we're-always-getting-worse, perfect-is-the-enemy-of-good philosophies. Maybe it's because depression is so rampant here. Either way, this is little more than cynicism posing as wisdom.

The truth is those containers you're condemning are significantly more eco-friendly to produce, and are made of sustainable materials (natural polymers, expanded polystyrene; plastics that are oxo-degradable). THAT's the initiative and THAT means even if they're being thrown out and not recycled and reused, it's still having a significant impact in both production and waste management.

I know people like you love to rail on any initiative that isn't perfect out of the gate. Let me be the one to spoil the rest of your life for you: no plan will ever be perfect. People are people, processes are fallible, not every exception case and situational nuance can be accounted for.

But progress is progress. We step in the right direction, we set the right goals, and we work on it as we go. We can not let perfect become the enemy of good. That's what cynics do, that's what cowards do.

The world is fucked but we're trying. Why shit on, and spread misinformation, on the few things we're trying to get right?

[–]Xylen434 28 points29 points30 points  (2 children)

I generally agree with your frustration about cynicism and the "it's not perfect so why try" philosophy, but in this case I believe the commenter just wasn't aware that there is any significant difference in the sustainability of the plastic itself. I wasn't either. The sentiment is more rooted in lack of faith in government rather than resistance to change.

The below seems like an unfortunately realistic scenario:

Too much plastic waste > Ban single-use plastics > Replaced with sturdier, reusable containers that otherwise use the same sort of plastics > Too many containers, they get chucked > More plastic waste than before

But if that outcome has already been predicted and accounted for and the new policies are better than before, even if not perfect, then great! No concern.

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