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[–]throwawaysebbes 53 points54 points55 points  (10 children)

Turkey supported the muslim brotherhood.

[–]FriedrichDerGenosse 28 points29 points30 points  (9 children)

Erdogan's support for them is one of the weirdest things he does. I think he tries to use their administrative structure to have a second arm in Europe.

[–]hunbune 22 points23 points24 points  (3 children)

He's betting on the muslim brotherhood coming out on top during the arab spring. It seems that he has bet on the wrong horse

[–]FriedrichDerGenosse 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)

From what I can tell, he's still betting on them which seems to be weird since they're forbidden in egypt but establish new branches in Europe.

[–]ivandelapena 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)

When he went to Egypt after Mubarak fell he called for a secular constitution: https://www.egyptindependent.com/erdogan-calls-secular-egypt/

Sisi isn't a secularist, he's an authoritarian military dictator with some Islamist tendancies. The reason he doesn't like Turkey is mostly foreign policy, in this particular case it's to do with oil/gas rights in the Mediterranean. Egypt wants as big a share of this as possible so is keen to team up with Cyprus and Greece against Turkey.

[–]hunbune 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sisi isn't a secularist

Never said he was? You don't have to be secular to dislike the MB, case in point: Saudi Arabia

The reason he doesn't like Turkey is mostly foreign policy

Erdogan support of MB doesn't help either

[–]FreakindaStreet 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)

They share the same political (and social) ideology. There really isn’t any surprises there. The problem he’s facing is that he’s pretty much cornered himself, and without a clear case of the Brotherhood going against Turkey’s interests, withdrawing support would weaken his own brand of political identity. He’s in a very tough spot, with most of his grand foreign policy ideas going wrong, most of which were not even his own fault.

[–]Augmentinator 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)

withdrawing support would weaken his own brand of political identity.

I believe Turkey recently banned a number of pro-brotherhood TV channels which were operated from Turkey. They refused to extradite the hosts though.

[–]FreakindaStreet 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)

It’s a balancing game, one that they are stuck with. On one hand, the Brotherhood is a proxy/lever to use in the Arab world and Europe, and on the other hand, the Brotherhood seeks to grow its influence independently, and at times, contrary to Turkish interests.

It’s an interesting dynamic.

[–]themarker614 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s not weird. His belief system is similar to the brotherhood.

[–]nearmsp 28 points29 points30 points  (3 children)

Erdogan is taking Turkey through uncharted territory with his crazy ideas of reducing interest rate to reduce an inflation which stands at 21%

[–]JasonDeSanta 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)

We all know that the actual inflation rate is between 50 to 80%.

[–]kunba 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)

Dammm BOI and i thought we were fucked in the back with this years 5.6 inflaction

How do turkey people live with that kind of inflation?

[–]JasonDeSanta 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well they can’t, everyone is depressed as fuck and have nothing to live for mostly. All the prices for essential items skyrocketed and for the hobby stuff, they are impossible to purchase for 99% of the public.

Turkey is legitimately one of the worst “developing” countries to live in, especially if you are a bright, well educated and left-leaning person that doesn’t care about bullshit religious institutions.

[–]Singer211 43 points44 points45 points  (6 children)

I mean Turkey has been illegally occupying northern Cyprus for decades. And they are the only country in the world who recognizes “North Cyprus.”

[–]Nox_2 7 points8 points9 points  (5 children)

Technically that "occupation" is more democratic than Turkey itself and more modern.

[–]FnordFinder 12 points13 points14 points  (4 children)

Why do you have occupation in quotes? Turkey invaded, occupied, and moved Turkish nationals into the region to help make it more “Turkish” and less Cypriot.

There is a reason literally no other country in the world recognizes it.

[–]Nox_2 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)

Occupations normally dont have better democracies then its occupiers.

There were Turkish people there before moving more people there. You are writing it like Turkey just wanted half of Cyprus and took it.

[–]FnordFinder 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)

I never said Turkish people didn’t live there prior. You are intentionally misrepresenting what I said.

[–]Chafram 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)

Is it not what happened?

[–]yellkaa 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)

As a Ukrainian, I find your rhetorics strangely familiar

[–]Arctic_Chilean 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)

This is just part of a massive, complex and interwoven series of geopolitical ambitions in the Mediterranean, mostly stemming for control of Maritime Territory and the hydrocarbon resources in the seabed.

This video does a phenomenal job at explaining just what is happening in the region, who the main players are, what is driving their geopolitical ambitions, and what the overall context for this region is: https://youtu.be/kCpL9JATq9I

[–]EmperorKira 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)

Tim Marshall's new book Power of Geography covers this as well, its a good read

[–]kenbewdy8000 19 points20 points21 points  (1 child)

I support Cyprus against Turkey too.

[–]clarrkko 12 points13 points14 points  (0 children)

Me too.

[–]omega3111 21 points22 points23 points  (0 children)

Considering that Turkey is basically illegally occupying a part of Cyprus, which they are the only country to recognizes it ("Northern Cyprus"), I would think that all countries in the region would support Cyprus over Turkey. No less when Erdogan is in power, considering he is trying to take Cyprus's gas reserves and had meddled in the revolutions in Libya and Egypt,.

[–]autotldrBOT 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 94%. (I'm a bot)

Egypt, a regional rival of Turkey, has enjoyed close ties with Cyprus and Greece since Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi took power in 2014.

Egypt, Cyprus and Greece in addition to Israel, Italy, Jordan and the Palestinian Authority formed the Cairo-based East Mediterranean Gas Forum in January 2019 as a governmental organization with commercial and political goals against Turkey as well.

As a result, Turkey sought to pull Egypt aside to demarcate their maritime borders in the eastern Mediterranean.

Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Turkey#1 Egypt#2 Cyprus#3 Cypriot#4 Turkish#5

[–]sharkyzarous 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)

Turkey is done for a very long time. In short term there is a huge economic catastrophe waiting for us.

[–]Satsumak 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)

Well, even though Turkey's occupation of Cyprus is illegal and technically an invasion, I do not believe it is fair to say that it was unjustified. There were a lot of ethnic conflicts between the inhabitants of the island during the 60's-70's and things were getting out of hand. As minorities, the Turkish Cypriots were the underdogs and at risk of losing many of their rights if unification with Greece were to happen (which is what many of the Greek Cypriots wanted) and Turkey intervened to prevent this from happening. There were of course other reasons for the invasion but all in all I think that what Turkey did at the time is what any other nation in a similar situation would've done.

I think that the main reason Egypt supports Cyprus against Turkey is because of the Egyptian government wanting to use the issue as a diplomatic tool to signify its dissatisfaction with Erdoğan and his government.

[–]Satsumak -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hope Turkey and Cyprus can come together to establish a more productive solution that will benefit the people of Cyprus as a whole but unfortunately I don't see that happening as long as Erdoğan remains in power.

[+]achiles625 comment score below threshold-16 points-15 points-14 points  (9 children)

I don't really understand why Turkey and Greece don't just split Cyprus. It is clearly never going to unify and splitting the island into two viable states seems unworkable.

[–]Puzzleheaded-Storm14 8 points9 points10 points  (6 children)

it is already de facto split what else is there to split

[–]achiles625 1 point2 points3 points  (5 children)

I mean like, why doesn't Greece annex the south and Turkey annex the north?

[–]seesaww 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm nowhere near expert in the subject but probably it's more complicated than it seems. Cyrpus as a whole is an entity and a member of EU. Just because south is ethnically Greek, doesn't necessarily mean they will or should be part of Greece. it's like saying why doesn't Germany annex Austria, since they're both Germans. We know the result last time it happened too.

With the same approach, north also doesn't want to unite with Turkey at all. In fact, years ago there was a referandum on the island on both sides for unification. South rejected, while north accepted. Most people in the north doesn't even want to be part of Turkey while they can be part of a unified Cyrpus and EU.

[–]Nox_2 0 points1 point2 points  (3 children)

Its like that already. They cant just annex the place people there want their nation mostly.

[–]achiles625 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)

Sure you can! Just ask Greenland and Donald Trump. /s

The people of north Cyprus don't seem to really want one and I figured that the people of south Cyprus felt similarly. The idea of an independent and united Cyprus was just being held onto out of refusal to accept the de facto status on the part of the more populous south and The West/EU/International Community.

[–]Nox_2 -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)

From the people I know who lives in cyprus they want to opposite including r/cyprus here. North Cyprus is not actual occupation since erdogan was crying about north cyprus government a month ago or 2 months i dont remember.

[–]achiles625 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)

Guess I'm wrong then. Didn't know much about the situation and probably made too many assumptions. Thanks for sharing!

[–]kunba 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)

So next time a big country invades and gets half that is yiur logic

[–]achiles625 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not at all. I was under the impression that the people of Cyprus, at least north Cyprus, didn't want to be part of a united nation. I was just saying, why not accept that a united Cyprus isn't going to happen, and move on from there? If some of the people don't want to be part of that, why should they be expected to negotiate an agreement to do so?