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[–]PopPopPoppy 14 points15 points16 points  (3 children)

Same here.

Army brat. Grew up in West Germany in the 80s.

I cannot donate blood or organs.

Since I ate beef then, I could potentially have CJD (Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease) which is the human variant of mad cow. It can remain dormant for decades, thus you cannot donate, just in case.

[–]Magatha_Grimtotem 40 points41 points42 points  (2 children)

One of the worst parts about that disease is that you can't usually be sure where you got it unless there's a family history.

I'm pretty sure random out of the blue cases are probably genetic unless there's like some clear increase in others getting it showing some kind of a vector.

Sadly, this shit will be with us probably forever, yet another rare random tragedy.

[–]adubski23 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)

I’m truly sorry for your loss. My father considered our wishes but ultimately he did what he felt most comfortable with. I’m sure we had the opportunity for greater certainty, I sure wanted more than we got from the spinal tap test they took which gave us only something like a 99% verification of what we were dealing with. It all happened so quick and we didn’t have much in the way of expert guidance or consulting, probably due to the rarity of it all. I’m just glad we were able to bring her home to pass with family and friends instead of in a facility with the limitations on visitors due to COVID and all that.

I’m over 40 and most of my siblings are pushing 40, so I’m really glad to hear what you said regarding the familial version of this, I’ve honestly not looked into much regarding this disease yet because it’s all still really raw and I’ve just been pissed. I just rack my brain wondering where she picked it up.

Again, my condolences to you and your family.

[–]Runswithshortshorts 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you. Yeah the familial one usually takes descendants pretty quick so y’all are most likely fine. If it was sporadic like the kind my mom had, it wasn’t something she picked up, just a really unfortunate roll of the dice. It just happened, and then took a few decades to run its course. That’s one of the frustrating parts, it just sits there slowly chugging along for 10-20 years and then out of nowhere it hits a critical point and they start showing symptoms.

And they way the science works they can’t say 100% without the brain analysis. So if they told you 99% then they told you what it was, they just couldn’t ethically say they were certain.

I’m sorry man. It’s not fair, and it’s not easy. Just try to find some solace in the things that made her happy. It’s ok to cry, it’s ok to feel angry, it’s ok to feel depressed. Feel what you feel. Just know that you’ll slowly feel better over the next months and years. Someone once told me “the pain never goes away, exactly, it just feels a lot more distant.” And while that sucks, it is indeed true. You learn how to deal with it in healthy ways.

Peace and love

[–]AnywayCOYSpurs 136 points137 points138 points  (9 children)

These cases are "atypical", it means the disease spontaneously occurs, usually in older cows that are not destined for human consumption.

They didn't get infected by ingesting the cerebrospinal fluid of other cows, they just got old and basically got the bovine equivalent of dementia.

And matter of factly, in the U.S. the parts of the cow that can transmit the disease are classified as specified risk material and you can't do anything with them other than disposal.

[–]AnywayCOYSpurs 111 points112 points113 points  (2 children)

Honestly, no.

This was an "atypical" case, cows rarely develop it spontaneously as they age, it's like the bovine equivalent of dementia.

This is just the usual responso to these cases, China did the same to brazil a few months back.

Articles like these are usually used for fear-mongering, unless there is an actual outbreak of the "typical" form there's nothing to be scared about. (Typical is where shit hits the fan and the government brings down a sledgehammer on anyone remotely involved in that farm)

[–]Ximrats 49 points50 points51 points  (0 children)

Digestion denatures proteins

They're pretty resistant to that, it takes quite a lot to achieve. Under artificial conditions, scientists even managed to renature a partially denatured prion into an infectious state apparently.

They're hardy little misfolded buggers

[–]DocMoochal 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)

The link was citing no threat from eating the muscle meat, which is what most people eat.

I wasnt citing the reason for the ban, just adding more to my comment.

I agree with you, I just didnt go super in depth, hence the etcetera after listing some reason for the ban, it could be anything along the supply chain.

[–]Ximrats 29 points30 points31 points  (8 children)

Doesn't it come from cows eating other (infected) cows' parts?

They can get it from grazing on grass, from soil, from somewhere an infected animal has urinated, manure, etc. They can survive in soil and just about anything else pretty well iirc

I could be wrong, been a long time since I did any reading on the topic

[–]keatonatron 38 points39 points40 points  (2 children)

I looked up mad cow disease to find out why it's so feared.

"When a cow is slaughtered, parts of it are used for human food and other parts are used in animal feed. If an infected cow is slaughtered and its nerve tissue is used in cattle feed, other cows can become infected."

Do we regularly make cows eat each other? That's kind of fucked up.

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[–]Sighwtfman 13 points14 points15 points  (1 child)

So. I am not an expert. I am sure, this being Reddit that an authorized Prion-ologist will show up soon.

This is serious. Serious enough until I learn more I might change my Christmas menu. But cows (and other animals including us) can just spontaneously develop a prion disease. This doesn't necessarily spell an outbreak.

Prions will kill you. Hard stop. They might take 20 years to decide to do it after you are infected but then you die. Science has zero chance of helping you. The hospital will give you a bed and suggest a grief counselor to your relatives.

It is only dangerous if you eat the brain. Sort of. It used to be that brains from infected cows were fed to other cows causing the infection to spread. When slaughtering infected cows sometimes brain matter would get on other tissue which would eventually be eaten. There is no safe temperature to cook beef at to kill prions btw (afaik).

So. They changed how cows are fed (no longer eating each others brains) and how cows were slaughtered. 20 years ago. I don't know if those safe-guards were lifted, if they are still followed, if they are still enforced.

[–]AnywayCOYSpurs 14 points15 points16 points  (0 children)

The safeguards are still enforced, practices still banned and basically all parts of the animals that can carry the disease are still mandated by law to be removed and disposed of in a way that prevents them from being consumed.

The part you're missing is that there's 2 kinds of BSE: "Typical", where they feed animals to each other and it spreads, and "atypical", which develops spontaneously.

This case, as all cases i've read about in recent years, have been the "atypical" version, that just develops in older cows.

If there was an outbreak of the typical kind, it would be on the frontpage of every newspaper in the world within minutes.