Russian President Vladimir Putin warns Europe will be dragged into military conflict if Ukraine joins NATO


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[–]SFW__Tacos 219 points220 points221 points  (89 children)

Russia: "Look at all these people and tanks we have!!!"

Everyone else: "Ummm that's nice. May I introduce you to the concept of Force Multipliers"

Even just fighting the Ukrainians isn't an easy / done deal since there are a lot of veterans in their ranks now AND they've been being fed large amounts of exactly the kind of weapons needed to make the war a long, bloody, and painful EVEN IF the Russians were to be successful in the end

[–]Mortar_Maggot 176 points177 points178 points  (55 children)

It's worse than that. They have some ungodly number of tanks. But 90 percent of them are in a cold war state still. Only about 1,000 Russian tanks are up to the modern standards. Those are numbers the US beats (and they also have a deep cold war reserve), and the rest of NATO convinced beats again.

Then there's the air force thing. Everyday more F-35s come online and the Russians don't have a real answer for it yet beyond a few prototype planes masquerading as a type. And the Russians have half the available manpower as the US alone.

So the rest of the world out techs and out numbers Russia.

[–]matty80 42 points43 points44 points  (25 children)

Russia will attempt to bomb Ukraine out of war if they have to invade but, again, this is not acceptable behaviour. You remember Argentina had one of its brief election-distractions by talking about the Falklands again and the British sent ONE Vanguard down there to sit with the implied defence of a few of their little attack submarines to look after it who - by the way - pack American Tomahawk cruise missiles. Just in case, you know.

Suddenly the concept of an air force was off the table. The UK and Italy are running about ten of these things, and that's without the numerous frigates the RN is running with the same system installed. The HMS Dragon - cool name, cool ship - ran a test recently in the Atlantic where NATO just chucked things at it. From ICBMs to skimmers, just a bit of everything. Did anything get through? What do you think?

Ukraine's manpower is heavy but their AA defence is absent. That's easily resolved by NATO within a few days though. They only have to ask... which is what Russia are gambling on them not doing. The Russian Air Force is always pretty cool but it's actually hugely vulnerable and has no defence agaist something throwing missiles at it from a hundred miles away.

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