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[–]External_Cookie_2046 3441 points3442 points3443 points 22 (317 children)

Sadly, most of Hugarian people vote based on media such as TV or newspapers, which is controlled by Fidesz (Orban's party). The amount of propaganda is insane. For example just the fact that the national television is showing how great Fidesz is 24/7 before the elections and then gives aprox. 5 min time for the opposition to speak. Even those 5 minutes get twisted, edited and cut to further villainize them.

Most people do not get as far as to do ANY research for voting, matter of fact the conversations paired with an after work beer IS the research for a lot of people from rural areas.

Old people receive a little bit of money now and then, which helps them meet months end with more ease. This makes them think they have it good and they do not realize what it could be.

They literally told on national television not to listen to the young educated people, because they dont know what is good for the country.

Well who would know better than them? Oh maybe people of high education with some age and experience? Well though shit because the educated rich people also love Fidesz because of the low tax rates...

So all together I just feel like a lot of people do not know that they could have it better... and there are a bunch and bunch of other reasons for this election going this way.

[–]digital_end 30 points31 points32 points  (6 children)

From what I hear in LePen has a pretty damn good shot of winning.

Fragmentation of opposition, unification of the authoritarians.

The same pattern keeps working, no reason for him to change it. The last thing anybody opposing them is going to do is agree on anything and unify... That's like the opposite of how they think.

And since no one will ever unify against them, they're going to keep winning.

[–]digital_end 61 points62 points63 points  (13 children)

Why can't the obvious connections between the GOP and the Kremlin not just be drug out into the light and lock these people up for treason or something??

Who is going to lock them up?

The law enforcement officials that support them?

The investigative divisions that they control?

The judges that were appointed by them?

Who exactly is going to do it?

While we were shitposting online about how "I'll never vote for a lesser evil", they were getting into positions of power.

While we were stabbing each other in the back for failing some obscure absolute purity test, they had each other's back even if they were rapists and pedophiles.

There's a reason that despite having a smaller portion of the population they maintain power. We divide up like idiots over nothing, they unify no matter what.

[–]Stevmoor79 10.5k points10.5k points10.5k points  (621 children)

Ok, so Orban made his move and showed his real colours (aka Pro-Putin populist autocrat using European funds).

Now, EU what are you going to do? Because there's no place for an anti-democratic scumbag that sides with a warmongering regime in the European Union.

To all good civil Hungarians, I feel so bad for you now...

[–]Ok-Significance9211 13.3k points13.3k points13.3k points 67& 2 more (1180 children)

I'm Hungarian. We just had an election. The idiots who believed in his propaganda voted for this guy on the third of this month. Ever since, I feel the urge to fucking end my life.

No more money for this corrupt motherfucker. I hope everyone will suffer from the sanctions who voted for this guy. But everyone else whose future was destroyed by the idiot voters will suffer too.

Good times are coming. Con- fucking -gratulations, my dear fellow Hungarians. Everyone hates us now.

Edit: For those who are concerned that I am suicidal, I have two good news: Today I celebrate my 90th day sober and my 31st day without smoking cigarettes. I feel okay, things could be better but they could also be worse, so I take what I get. There are some really kind people in here, I want to thank you all for being awesome.

I will move, things are on the way. It will take years, but I won't live here for too much long.

Have a lovely day/week/month/year and rest of your lifes, the comments are getting too much so this is my last edit. Bye!

[–]Peperski 219 points220 points221 points  (9 children)

People hate us now.

No they don't. People are against your government but that doesn't mean that hungarian people are automatically despised.

I have a fond opinion of hungarians and can recognize they're suffering from the same disease that my country (Poland) is subjected to as well - aggressive propaganda aimed at the elderly, uneducated and the poor.

Sadly' it's effective as the majority of the population fits into that category...

[–]zoinkability 201 points202 points203 points  (7 children)

Yep. There are safeguards to ensure that countries meet democratic standards to enter the EU, but Hungary seems to show that there are no safeguards to ensure they continue to meet those standards.

Note that the standard should not just be based on how elections are administered, but also on media control. There should be sufficient non-state-aligned media to allow true democratic choice.

It should be like a job performance improvement plan situation. If a country fails to meet standards after they are in, they have X number of years to shape up or they are out, and they are subject to much greater scrutiny for a long time.

[–]ShouldersofGiants100 49 points50 points51 points  (2 children)

Yep. There are safeguards to ensure that countries meet democratic standards to enter the EU, but Hungary seems to show that there are no safeguards to ensure they continue to meet those standards.

The issue is they never predicted a double backslide.

There are mechanisms to punish Hungary, but they require unanimity—and Poland, while on the right side against Russia, is just as dictatorial. So any attempt to punish Hungary can be vetoed by Poland and vice-versa.

[–]Desnowshaite 911 points912 points913 points  (35 children)

I am Hungarian.

A few years ago I opened a petition to the EU to stop giving Hungary EU funds because it is evidently being stolen via systemic level corruption.

The investigation started, had a few letters back from Brussels that they are looking into it...

Then it abruptly stopped and closed the case saying a larger investigation is already covering the topic.

This was about 4 years ago, yet the EU is still pumping the money to this oversized swine and his cronies. During the recent election this EU money was covertly used for paying off voters to vote for them and spend money to buy off votes indirectly so basically the EU is indirectly financing the Hungarian government to stay in power.

So yeah, it is not only the Hungarians fault that this bunch is still in power. They would be already ripped apart and eaten alive if there would be no EU funds to back their system up, yet it seems nothing can be done because the EU is doing f*ck all about it.

[–]No-Kaleidoscope557 93 points94 points95 points  (7 children)

A few years ago I opened a petition to the EU to stop giving Hungary EU funds because it is evidently being stolen via systemic level corruption.

How the fare you guys getting EU funds despite the systemic level of corruption?

In Romania we DON'T get almost anything from EU funds, and this is BECAUSE of systemic level corruption.

For me this sounds like double standards from the EU 😂

[–]chewb 30 points31 points32 points  (0 children)

hungarian living in hu born in ro here.

When they let the countries into the eu in 2004 (hu included) they didn’t have such stringent rules to join.

Romania has DNA (anticorruption directorate) which was a requirement to join. Kövesi was closing down polititians left and right. You guys got worked up when the rule of law was under attack. Hungarians didn’t care / don’t have anyome but the eu to protest that

Poland and Hungary didn’t need to have that

[–]Narrow_Line_11 129 points130 points131 points  (11 children)

NATO joining requirements, from NATO pamflet

"Functioning democratic political system based on a market economy; fair treatment of minority
populations; a commitment to resolve conflicts peacefully; an ability and willingness to make a military
contribution to NATO operations; and a commitment to democratic civil-military relations and institutions."

Wonder why they aren't also required to STAY in. Doesn't make sense. The rules should be changed. Check every year if the criteria is still met. If not, throw them out.

EU should also have the same rule. Would also work as pre-emptive measure, where you can't just abandon democracy or "decadent Western values" on a whim. Without there being severe consequences.

[–]JSP777 306 points307 points308 points 2 (64 children)

The paradox situation is that the majority of people still support the EU and NATO. The election doesn't show a real picture of what people want, as it was heavily influenced by propaganda, unethical and unfair media coverage, a disgusting smear campaign, war crimes even (if we consider accusing political opponents with wanting to enter the war, a war crime).
The people of Hungary needs the help of EU now more than ever. They need intervention, they need the EU to enforce media laws, regulation of social media, more strict anti corruption laws, etc etc.
If the EU and NATO kicks Hungary out, it essentially creates a new Belorus. The situation is worse than most people realize. Orban has to be stopped. He is basically holding half the country as hostages while he and his friends buy yachts and castles.

[–]Eliotto 183 points184 points185 points  (30 children)

I’m hungarian.
Please help us... Our nation is a dying one, full of controlable old people. They are literally brainwashed by heavy propaganda and their vision on the outside word is really narrow. They get their news by TV and newspaper. Hungary’s soul, the capital is full on anti-FIDESZ and it shows, because fidesz lost every corner of it. A big part of the population is there, mostly young men and women using outside sources for information.

I don’t want isolation. I don’t want war nor I wish to join the masacre. I want to enjoy my peaceful life with my semi-peaceful videogames. I don’t want to end up like russia’s people, who got denied everything because of a few power hungry idiots.

I am considering moving out of country and most of my friends too. We don’t want to have children here, why would we? We don’t want to work here, why would we? What are the benefints of being hungarian, other then the cool and hard language that we have?

Funny parts is, that fidesz got about 50% of the votes and they still managed to get 2/3... We can’t even deny their stupid ideas. These fools are ruining this country for 16 years now. They own the place, the media, the money.