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[–]Dekarch 264 points265 points266 points  (19 children)

Hey, so the Russian Finance Ministry asked for a supplemental appropriation for paying death benefits to family.

They asked for enough money to pay for 134,000 casualties, their estimate over the next 12 months based on an average of 8,125 casualties a month.

That's 40% of the 300,000 Vlad wants to mobilize.

Honestly the Russian people are better off fighting the FSB for their freedom than allowing themselves to be fed into a meat grinder where even their own government believes 40% will die.

[–]canttaketheshyfromme 60 points61 points62 points  (5 children)

Probably every office will be given a quota, like "mobilize 1000 people by November". The authorities will care about the quota, not the ways the people are mobilized in.

It's going to be press gangs in the boonies, and in the poorest neighborhoods in the cities. They'll get their manpower without upsetting the middle class, and without that middle class seeing sons and brothers sent to fight, opposition can still be painted as unpatriotic, even treasonous, and at the very least, a bunch of "virtue signalers" because there's always a large cohort of people who can't imagine taking a stand for someone else without it being for selfish reasons.

Basically none of this is uniquely Russian and is more then rule than not globally when a country's leadership fucks up this bad.

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[–]JustMrNic3 41 points42 points43 points  (6 children)

They probably had the same attitude the Hobbits had in the Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the ring movie, when they say:

It's none of our concern what goes on
beyond our borders.


Keep your nose out of trouble,
and no trouble'll come to you.

Maybe because they have done this their entire life and got used to not care about what happens with others without thinking that one day they will have to pay for it.

[–]ironbridge12 53 points54 points55 points  (5 children)

Yeah, this is what people often don't get.

Russian people have been treated brutally for 100+ years by one government after another. They know that what happened in the past- gulags, rape/ torture/ murder of them and family members- can easily happen to them now.

There's risks even with "just" going to protest.

[–]Dekarch 109 points110 points111 points  (12 children)

Ukranians treat their POWs better than Russia treats their soldiers. Just saying.

Also, if you give unhappy people live ammunition, it's a dice roll which way they point their guns.

The Tsar found that out the hard way in 1917. And 1905. And both Afghan vets and turncoat Army units were key to the mob of demonstrators that took to the streets in 1991.

Any time the Russian Army wants to grab their balls, they will have much better chances fighting the FSB than the Ukranian Army. The FSB doesn't have HIMARS with drones for targeting.

[–]dangitbobby83 127 points128 points129 points  (17 children)

Omg man, idk how easy it would be but if you are sent, try to get away and surrender to Ukraine.

I know that’s easier said than done, especially if you have family to worry about. But try not to throw your life away if you can. It seems like pows are being treated far better than the average Russian citizen.

I’m so sorry that this has happened. I’m from the US and I hate what is happening to both Ukraine and the average Russian who’s paying the price for your idiotic and selfish government.

[–]purpleefilthh 21 points22 points23 points  (0 children)

I can't imagine the horror of being made to fight in a war.

1) War defending your country: you are see everything you love destroyed. Hope for life, victory and peace that is not guaranteed. You don't know the cost too.

2) War of conquest. You want to be there: Your ideals fall along with your friends dying on the battlefield. The longer it takes, the more you question all of it.

2) War of conquest. You don't want to be there: All the above + your unvillingness from the start,

[–]arronaxx88 1083 points1084 points1085 points  (18 children)

Papa, why are we forced to go to war?

I don't know son, I'm not interested in politics.

I find this very fitting of the russian mentality.

Stole this comment from u/AngryFker. He is a redditor in russian anti-russia subreddit. Unfortunately his profile seems to be banned.

[–]IceManYurt 321 points322 points323 points  (8 children)

Ukraine and the West needs to start a super hard media campaign showing fair and civil treatment of POWs who surrender.

Show them getting food.

Show them getting aid.

Show them that surrender does not mean death or torture - but fair treatment.

[–]ThisAltDoesNotExist 40 points41 points42 points  (6 children)

Which begs the question of what are they thinking? They have panicked the population, shut down travel and are boasting about putting more new recruits in than were in the original invasion force.

They can't supply what they have but have been struggling with the shadow voluntary mobilisation so far. It would appear for the sake of a few thousand more soldiers they have made the rash declaration that three hundred thousand will be called up.

It is hard not see this as yet further detachment from reality where nobody dares tell the boss his plan won't work.